ABC DISCOVERS PUMA...FINALLY

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What's A P.U.M.A.?

If you thought the Democratic Party was a single machine unified behind presumptive nominee Barack Obama, then you should think again.

As much as the GOP could be hurt by the disaffection of Ron Paul and Bob Barr supporters, the Dems are in danger of losing far greater numbers of voters...supporters of Hillary Clinton.

Ap_clinton2_080605_mn AP

Yep. She may be out. But the NY Senator and former First Lady still has sway.

First, there are the so-called P.U.M.A.s...

P.U.M.A. is a political action committee whose full name is People United Means Action (there's another meaning too...party unity my ---). It was started by a Clinton supporter in Massachusetts at the beginning of June.

Puma_pac click image to enlarge P.U.M.A.'s filing with the FEC

There's also a blog associated with the group. And its members are adamantly against Obama.

From the blog:

Our goals are fourfold:

1. To support the candidacy of Hillary Clinton. Updated 6/7/08 — Hillary Clinton was forced to suspend her campaign because the DNC decided to select its preferred nominee, so we are not directly campaigning for her. We consider her to be the leader of the Democratic party and our members will continue to support her throughout this election cycle.

2. To lobby and organize for changes in leadership in the DNC

3. To critique and oppose the misogyny, discrimination, and disinformation in the mainstream media, including mainstream blogs and other outlets of new media

4. To support the efforts of those political figures who have allied themselves with Hillary Clinton and who have demonstrated commitment to our first three goals

They also have a motto you can read by linking here.

There is also a blog called Nobamanetwork.com which is an aggregating site for anti-Obama blogs. There are more than 300 sites which now link through Nobamanetwork. Through it I found a meetup group in Houston that has a planned get together to talk about Clinton on the 19th. It's just one of a lot of nationwide gatherings that day:

Saturday, July 19th, 2008 is the 160th Anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention (The first Women's Rights Convention), during which the Declaration of Sentiments was adopted.

On Saturday July 19th, 2008, Senator Clinton's Supporters will gather together nationwide to celebrate this historic anniversary at house parties, cocktail parties, and public gathering places, holding their own "Resolution Day" parties where they will adopt their own "Declaration of Resolutions."

Not sure yet what those resolutions will be. But they probably won't include supporting Barack Obama.

There's also a new movement on line called "I Just Say No Deal"...and this video which is apparently created by people who say they "voted for Obama before they voted against him".

video from comealongway.wordpress.com

So what does all of this mean? It means there are some underlying issues within the traditional Democratic Party. It means the convention is a real issue for a core group of Clinton supporters who want to see her name on the Denver ballot.

Critics of these PUMAs and ObamaNOTS say that they won't be happy until and unless Senator Clinton becomes the party nominee. Maybe so.

But these are not Republicans trashing Obama and his policies. They are Democrats.

Motive aside...it tells me that that this party is fractured more greatly than party leadership would like to admit.

How else could the GOP even have a shot at the White House in November given public sentiment over the last eight years?

How else could the most recent national polls (which really mean nothing as far as the electoral college is concerned, but i digress...) have this race in a virtual tie?

Joint press conferences and fund raisers are not enough. A rally in Unity, NH is not enough.

Otherwise, the very people who could have put Obama in the White House could keep him from it.

Thanks for reading. TA

[donewith democrats]

The PUMA movement, The NO Deal Coalition and The Denver Group are all intertwined to keep the Democratic Party honest. It was too clear to Hillary Clinton's supporters that the powers that be in the DNC had pre-arranged the nomination and stacked the deck for Obama a long time ago. They were blinded somewhat by his "perceived" money raising abilities (suspect) and the newly registered voters through the college circuit as well as the African American politicos from the 2004 Rainbow Coalition that craved more power. The smooth move to Chicago by the DNC within days of the Rules Committe meeting that put Obama over the top with delegates he didn't earn from the Michigan Primary happened way too fast for there to have not been a pre-planned coronation of Obama when he and Hillary Clinton were virtually tied. Tied while disenfranchising the voters of 2 of the biggest states that heavily favored Clinton. This move has paved the way for the DNC to try to prevent Hillary's name from being placed in nomination at the Democratic Convention in Denver. Thats the origin of our anger.
Posted by: Glenn McGahee


Fact is, we don't know who the heck BO is. He was all about HOPE and then Rev. Wright came along--umm, more like NOPE. He was about change, and new politics. Now not so much after FISA, Iraq backtracking, gun control, and other flip flops. Today, BO's author, says BO was an illegitimate child and knows that his parents never got married (see link). Perhaps it's no big deal for some, but why lie about it? I know, could it because he wants others to think he's exotic and different? Pander all you want BO, you will never get my vote. PUMA!
http://www.pr-inside.com/barack-obama-pani...ook-r700482.htm
Posted by: mini me


How about the fact that Obama may have run a better campaign then Hillary? I know I get upset when my candidate doesn't win- but as a party we need to move on. There was no trickery or dishonesty, just a brilliant campaign, so the sour grapes will do nothing but severly harm our country.
Do all of you Dems who are seriously considering voting for McCain realize what you are saying? Do you really think a 3rd Bush term is what we need? That will not bring Hillary back? Please reconsider - Obama is a good man. Read his books, look at his policies (they almost mirror Clinton's) and then do some research on McCain and where he stands. Think of the Supreme Court, think of a 100 year war...PLEASE!!! My children cannot afford to have McCain as president.
Thank you!
Posted by: Felicia


We have been members of PUMA for quite some time, all voters need to read everything on Obama, before they vote..
http://www.nativeamericansagainstobama.com/
Posted by: Native Americans Against Obama


I invite all those people who are waking up to the real Barack Obama, to join us. We welcome you in the fight to regain the Democratic party.
blog.pumapac.org
justsaynodeal
Posted by: OhNoYouDidnt


How did Obama run a better campaign? He had no ideas of his own, seemed to be apologizing an awful lot for his followers' conduct, wouldn't debate Hillary because she cleaned his clock in all but one debate and even that one was a draw at best. He raised a lot of money, is that what you mean? His donors do seem to be tapped out now as he wants us to pay for moving his nomination ceremony to a larger arena. History is being made you see. Would history not have been made with a woman receiving the nomination? Why the talk of racism throughout with absolutely no mention of the blatant sexism that permeated the air during the campaign?This goes beyond pouting that your candidate lost. Our nation is going to lose. Are those big enough stakes for you? If your kids can't afford Mc Cain as President, you should do something now to change it or learn to look at yourself in the mirror because you have caused the necessity for such action.
Posted by: gostrumcat


There's a reason that we're PUMAs. If Obama or the DNC wants our support then redefine the Democratic Party, cut out the sexism, and listen to the will of the voters. Hillary got more popular votes than any Primary candidate ever . . . but Obama got the nomination. And you wonder why we're angry?
Posted by: Lynn


We welcome all disenchanted Obama supporters to justsaynodeal.com. There is still time to turn this around. He is defined now by his many lightning speed reversals..because no one knows who he is. This will be the narrative along with Wright, Phleger Ayers and Meeks. The GOP will hold their fire until Sept. Then all hell will break loose. He is unelectable.
Posted by: suzanne


If DNC think they can shove us an unqualified, illegitimate, unelectable candidate and we will vote for him in the general election, they are dead wrong.
More Democrats voted for Sen. Clinton than Obama. More Democrats want Sen. Clinton. Sen. Clinton got more popular votes than any Democrats (including Obama) in the history of the primary.
We will fight for Hillary's name to be on the nomination ballot at the convention. If Hillary doesn't have a fair treatment in Denver, the same way she didn't have a fair race in the primary, we will hold DNC accountable for this election fraud. They will pay for their crime.
Posted by: JoeySky


PUMA's believe in democracy. One person, one vote. In fact, Donna Brazille in 2000 proclaimed that NO voter will be left behind. Of course, that was before the DNC had picked a pre-anionted candidate for 2008. A fraud has been committed on Democrats by their own party. Rules were bent to favor one candidate over another. Delegates earned by one candidate were arbitraly given to another. Delegates not earned by Obama were gifted to him in order to deprive the more qualified, tested, vetted and clearly smartest candidate, Senator Hillary Clinton.
Most PUMA's are long time core democrats who will not stand for fraud within the party they have supported for decades. We won't stand for it. Period. Our goals are short and long term. Demand that both nominees be placed on the ballot at roll call since neither one reached the required delegates needed to secure the nomination and remove those in the party whom we feel have choosen to preserve their own intrests over the intrests of the country.
Posted by: SadStateOfAffairs


Indications that our movement is having an impact and that the voice of the people actually has power to be heard. This should energize us and others who may have not commited to the cause because they thought "How coulld I matter" to continue and even be more involved in the process.
Whether it is talking with others about our concerns, writing responses to blogs, creating Utube videos, or just increasing visibility we are having measureable significant impact.
We are Americas Reality Check, we shall let nothing be swept under the rug and remind everyone every day that elected and appointed government public srevants are in thier positions at the grace of each American Citizen and they shal be held answerable for thier actions. And we shall not go quietly into the night.
Posted by: PNevai


In my opinion Obama simply isn't qualified to be president. His ties to Rezko and leaving his constituents in squalid housing while Rezko lined both of their pockets is inexcusable. The Obama had the audacity to go back to Rezko to have that somewhat iffy deal on a mansion he couldn't afford. There is your hope and please keep the change.
The DNC leadership made matters much worse. Donna Brazile wanting her "new coalition of democrats. I hope she is happy with them. I have been a democrat for 30 years from a family of democrats. We are not looking kindly of the shenanigans of the RBC who based their Michigan delegate allocation on how imaginary people would have voted if they came to the polls versus how the real voters voted. They also took 4 delegates from Hillary Clinton. That is roughly telling 600 thousand people that they voted for someone else.
If you want to place PUMA in some type of historical context..read about the formation of the Bull Moose Party in 1912 as the direct result of Republican shenanigans to get rid of a true progressive,Teddy Roosevelt, and backing the incompetent yes-man. Taft.
Posted by: Linda


This is a group of feminist militant who are loosers in life!. You were never democrates and you will never be!! you are the people who answered the call of rush limbaugh a racist pig! just like you bunch of morons!.Thanks God Ameicans are more aware of your motives!.
Posted by: pedeen


So many of us have been disinfranchised from our party and we as Americans have come to realize that we cannot go along with the democratic party any longer. To see the disrespect for law and order, the insults to our intelligence, the accusing us of racism, and the "trash" talk we receive... it would be easy for all of us to just go along with the flow. But as an American who believes that my vote counts, I am going to make it count. I cannot and will not vote for a unvetted, unproven, "middle-finger" pointing (at Hillary), race baiter, flip-flopper, liar (73 and counting), and Chicago style politician. He seems to have no one he will not throw under the bus these days and he stands for nothing that I can remotely think of. So GO PUMA's and donedems.com and justsaynodeal.com, and hireheels.com... and the many other sites that bring all of us together in unity!!!
Posted by: BMW60


After a 38 year affiliation, I no longer consider myself to be a democrat. I believe that elections are about votes and every vote should count. On May 31, the dnc demonstrated to me that they have no interest in the will of the voters. I will be voting for John McCain this time around. I still have not decided about the downstream dems. However, if Hillary's name is not on ballot at the convention, for the first time in my life, I will vote a straight rep. ticket. Thanks for the article. It is a huge story that most media outlets are clueless about. PUMA
Posted by: Wicked

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PUMA has nothing what so ever to do with us "being upset because Hillary" didn't win. Our rage and anti-Obama message has to with several things. The first is we are wholly against a Democratic Party that no longer supports the will of the people. They have continually told the real Democratic base they could win the election without us. They say the election can be won with the AAs, the young who are very inconsistent with their vote and the latte-drinking liberals. They have thrown away the majority of the typical white, bitter, gun toting, Bible clinging people.
The DNC/RBC was over the line when the decisions concerning FL and MI were any thing but transparent. The security at the RBC manhandled one woman so that she was left with terrible bruises on her arm. They deliberately took delegates from Hillary Clinton and gave them to Obama. Then awarded him the undecideds because "the RBC knew those votes would have gone to him". The RBC was very deliberate in breaking their own rules.
As for me I don't care for Obama or his wife. I think they areradicals. I think they scream wolf to often when calling us racists...or playing the race card. Obama deliberately impugned Hillary Clinton's reputation and President Bill Clinton's first two term presidency since FDR. Today while people were talking about his comment about the surge, a very important thing was missed, Obama doesn't even know the mission of the Joint Chiefs of Staff. Just more of his inexperience showing through.
I am a proud member of PUMA?JSND. I will not vote for a fraudulent candidate.
Posted by: navyvet48


you guys need to read the article about Barack OBama in the nFelicia Said:
"How about the fact that Obama may have run a better campaign then Hillary? I know I get upset when my candidate doesn't win- but as a party we need to move on. There was no trickery or dishonesty, just a brilliant campaign, so the sour grapes will do nothing but severly harm our country.

Do all of you Dems who are seriously considering voting for McCain realize what you are saying? Do you really think a 3rd Bush term is what we need? That will not bring Hillary back? Please reconsider - Obama is a good man. Read his books, look at his policies (they almost mirror Clinton's) and then do some research on McCain and where he stands. Think of the Supreme Court, think of a 100 year war...PLEASE!!! My children cannot afford to have McCain as president.
Thank you!"

1. Gumby didn't run a better campaign - maybe dirtier and nastier than one I ever seen before - calling AMERICANS racist. Did everybody just forget about that?
2. Not Sour Grapes - Are You Kidding ME? This is about the Death of Democracy on May 31st - not Hillary being railroaded out of this election. Let's see? Disenfranchise almost 2.3 million AMERICANS and then tell them they can have 1/2 their vote back if they are nice. WTF? Also, let's break our own rules by giving Gumby all the uncommitted delegates and 4 of Hillarys. What Say Michigan voters on that one? Has anyone asked them?
4. I am not voting for a Bush 3rd term - that's why I'm not voting for Gumby - he's more republican than McCain.
5. His policies "mirror" Hillary's? No Sh** Sherlock - that's because they are hers. Except in this case imitation isn't the greatest form of flattery.
6. Our Country cannot afford a racist, un-American, empty chair! 146 days in the Senate before he ran for President? Are You Kidding ME? Wake UP!! At this point, we know what McCain will do. Do you really know what Gumby is going to do?

PUMA!!
JUST SAY NO DEAL!

Posted by: DiamondTigerew yorker.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07...?printable=true
So much for the new type of politics speeches.
I am a puma and I demand that the dnc abandon these undemocratic caucuses methods used to misinterpret the voice of the people.
Sexism won't be allowed in the mainstream.The double standard when it comes to racism is truly embarrassing.
These media outlets don't hold their hosts responsible for sexism comments but when race plays a role everyone cries wolf in the media. Obama gets away with these sexist remarks but Clinton gets hammered by media outlets taking her comments out of context to make her look racist. Unbelievable.
Obama saids something like Hillary Clinton at times can get emotional and tends to attack people during this phase.(obviously making fun of a women's bioclock) I am paraphrasing here....
Posted by: Chris


As a member of PUMA love my party, but I love my country more. Issues we still dealing with in 2008 is voter fraud, corrupt caucuses, super-delegates not representing voters within their states, sexism, voters votes not being counted and back room meetings, such as the actions of the DNC in May. Super-delegates accepting monetary contributions from primary candidate and then pledging to that candidate although in incomplete opposition as the primary result of their district. The current approval rate for the Democratic Congress is at the lowest point in history, 9%. Party refusal to address these issues have heightened in this primary season with the primary race being so close. There are investigations in many states concerning voter fraud and corrupt caucuses. The American voters have the right to have the candidate that won a fair and democratic election. No matter who that candidate is.
Party officials were aware this primary election was a close election. Donna Brazille was concerned in Feb 2008, in an interview stated "super-delegates should be the voice of their people (article below). Then Senator Obama warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted." But yet Senator Obama's super-delegates in Massachusetts -- Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick , a state which Hillary Clinton clearly won. Straight contradiction of his previous statement.
Again, elections are to be decided by voters in all states, NO EXCEPTIONS. Democratic officals will have to address these issues and no more excuses. Democratic party rational to vote Democratic because you are a Democrat is out dated and will no longer work. Voter's are demanding their voices be heard and the movement will continue to grow. One person=one vote, all votes count
http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/20...uper-deleg.html
Posted by: tlintx


Obama is absolutely corrupt. The DNC appears to be equally corrupt. TRUE Democrats do not accept corrupt leaders!
We are enraged at the vicious attacks that were thrown at Hillary Clinton, the most talented, brilliant, experienced, and yes, electable, of the entire field of Democratic candidates. We refuse to accept a candidate who is a puppet of the Republicans. Yes, that is what I said.
Do some research! Read these articles. You will understand why we will NEVER vote for Obama.
Obama's Money Cartel, by Pam Martens
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens05052008.html
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens05062008.html
Why Obama Represents Bush's Third Term, by Rosemary Regello
http://www.thecityedition.com/Pages/Archiv...hThirdTerm.html
PUMA Democrat
Posted by: Tara


Hillary Clinton's early campaign was run poorly. Her initial campaing manager, Patti Solis Doyle, was later "hired" by the Obama Campaign after Clinton replaced her with a campaign manager who ran her campaign very well, i.e. her comeback.
Is this Change We Can Believe In? What are the chances that this is more of Obama's Chicago Politics, not some "better" campaign, just dirty?
Posted by: Lu4PUMA


Barack Obama's candidacy stands as irrefutable proof that progressives are stupid.
And totally cool with dirty politics and misogyny.
Obama's campaign used racism, misogyny, cheating at the caucuses, character assassination, rehashed 90's smears against the Clintons, threats, and thuggery to cheat the voters out of their preferred candidate.
In doing this, he, his followers, and a corrupt DNC have fatally damaged the Democratic Party.
After Obama gets creamed in Nopvember, I pray that his fans will quit politics and go back to writing crappy songs {and hosting talkshows about their favorite things]
Posted by: Perry Logan


I disagree with a statement under her picture
"Yep.She may be out.But the NY Senator and former First Lady still has sway."

SHE IS NOT OUT !!!
FOUR THINGS TO KNOW ABOUT DENVER

1. Senator Clinton has only suspended her campaign. She has not conceded and never offered a statement of concession which is traditional when someone is no longer a candidate. She did not officially end her candidacy which she could have chosen to do. She is still technically a candidate.

2. Senator Clinton has not released her delegates. Releasing or asking her delegates to support Senator Obama is also something she could have done. She has not. All of Senator Clinton's delegates won during the primary season are still committed to her and can cast their votes for her at the convention as long as her name is on the ballot.

3. Super delegates public declarations do not count. They can change their minds ( as some did during the primary). They are not committed to any of their public declarations. Nothing counts until they cast their votes in Denver on August 27th.

4.Superdelegates cast their votes in a secret ballot. Unless they themselve choose to reveal who they vote for, no one can know.

Posted by: Glen |


Whoever said that PUMAs are a bunch of militant feminists is sorely mistaken. I am an 18 year old guy, a first time voter in this election cycle. I was proud, on April 22, to cast the first vote of my life for Hillary Clinton.
I did not support Obama during the primary campaign for a reason. He is not qualified. He has little to no experience, and has exhibited poor judgment in maintaining long-term relationships with questionable individuals. These problems have not disappeared, but have been enhanced by his major flip-flopping on FISA, gun control, Iraq, NAFTA, and a whole other host of issues.
And Hillary did not run a poor campaign. Her campaign was disserviced by the media and the DNC. Obama played the race card against her, and never raised a protesting finger as she was subjected to the most sexist attacks imaginable.
NObama under any circumstances!
McCain '08
Hillary '12
Posted by: Taj


I am a 62 year old life long Democrat,and not a Reagan Democrat either. The DNC broke or manipulated its own rules, disenfranchised millions of Democrats, and now again will break its chartered legal rules by holding convention which is supposed to select a candidate not crown the crown Prince. Never in the history of this party has such a combination of corruptuion showed its face. Barack Obama is an incompetent, political opportunist, connected to every manner of sleaze politics of Chicago and I might add of New Orleans. Donna Brazile, a New Orleanian along with former Mayor Marc Morial and now Mr. Urban League have helped to unleash a set of race baiting tactics in the primary that are all to familiar to anyone older than 40 years old in the City of New Orleans. I and millions will never vote for the 2008 political hologram of 2008. This traditional Democrat will vote McCain.
Posted by: NewOrleansPuma


The Democratic party has waited a long time for a leader like Hillary Clinton to come along. She is smart, experienced, and knows how to get things done the right way. The voters know this, and voted accordingly. The inside deal making inside the hierarchy of the party selected someone else. They created an unelectable entity that few Hillary Supporters or REAL Democrats can support. We are heartened by the slim chance that we can go to the convention and correct this outrage. If you are a Hillary supporter or a democrate who has decided that Obama is not the right choice for the country, then you, as a citizen, have the obligation to stop this maddness. Join one of these groups and make a difference. We have time, but not a lot of it. We can force them to recognize the true winner of the Primary if we all stand up and be counted. One person-One Vote:Election not Selection!
Posted by: HeneriPUMA


People will indeed meet nationwide to sign the Declaration of Resolutions this Saturday. Please go to http://july19action.blogspot.com to see the nationwide meeting schedule and read the Declaration of Resolutions. The events are being organized by a group called 18 Million Voices Rise Hillary Rise, who are also planning actions in August during the convention nationwide and in Denver. http://18millionvoices.blogspot.com
Posted by: Anon


I have become a PUMA member, and very proud of it. Rejection bythe Obama supporters, and the rejection itself by the Democratic Party that plays blind is not important anymore. The more united they believe they are, the more divided they become, due to a political blindness that corrupt their brains and souls. I have always voted Democrats, and I had plan to change from Independent to Democrat because I felt very honored to be a member of a party that would have Hillary CLinton as President of this great nation. In the light of the selection of Obama as the "nominee" ( rather "selectee" ) I decided to stay Independent and fight to contribute to make possible this dream of Hillary becoming president come true. She is undoubtely the best candidate, and Obama has divided this country and has lied to most of his supporters, promising a different politician, when in fact, he is no different from the worst of them. By voting for McCain, I vote for the second best candidate to be president, my first choice is Hillary, and I still have great hope that during the convention in Denver, superdelegates will come to their senses and switch to Hillary because she is the only candidate that can take our country out of its misery. I live in Florida, a state first ignored by Obama and now he needs us here to win, so it looks like a contradiction, but one more won't make a difference.
Hillary 08 means Hillary as President, the VP option is not an option.
Posted by: Oscar P


It's about the rules, stupid, and fairness. Democrats have always been, as long as I've been alive, about fairness and equality. And then they came, in 2008, and broke a bunch of their own rules to put that wet, empty suit up for contention. I hope it was worth it, because we will fight for Hillary at the convention, and, failing success there, we will work diligently to make damn sure Obama doesn't take that oath in January. He is Bush 2.0, neoliberal-style. If you can't see that, you aren't paying attention.
Posted by: Anna Belle


If Senator Obama ran such a good campaign why did he lose nine important states when he was outspenting Hillary 3/1 and limped into the end of the primary where he was crowned only because the primary was rigged. Let's stop using the media's reasons why Senator Clinton lost the election because they refuse to accept the role they played in her being forced out. He changes his statements every other day, then he will not even admit that he errored, prime example the issue with Jersualem, it'a always someone else's fault. I think we need to get pass the idea that a Democrat will make things better, not just any Democrat can do that, Bill Clinton did; Jimmy Carter did not. Senator Obama could not give Bill Clinton the respect he deserved as president, he critized him openly and now he wants him to campaign for him, what an insult. But that is the character of this man. He will not get my vote and I am not angry that Hillary is not the nominee. Senator Obama is a walking disaster for this nation and folks refuse to see or admit that because they are so eager for a Democrat in office. It's the person, his arrogance, motives, lack of integrity, shady associations, bad judgement and not the anger that is driving folks to vote for Senator McCain.
Posted by: Tate


must admit that I was not a Hillary Clinton supporter from the start… seems that I was influenced by the press and their dirty dealings in the beginning… I was not an Obama supporter either… John Edwards was my choice. Well the field was cleared and Hillary and Obama were the choices. I found myself in a quandry and wondered which o ne? I started doing my research and found that the press was so gung ho on Obama that the hairs on my neck stood up as a warning… hmmmmmmm … every time I did not listen to that little voice I got in trouble… so, wow…. YouTube became such a big deal that the press had to report the Rev. Wright issue… oh boy, now I knew why I had the hair on the back of my head stood up. I knew that I was listening to a politician who had learned over 20 years how to sway people to his point of view. I was right… a politician with emotional appeal and nothing else… Change… what change? Never any substance to his speeches. No knowledge of how to make the changes. I cannot and will not support Obama…

I am proud to a PUMA and I am proud of Hillary Clinton and her courage in the face of the sexist and biased Main Stream Media. I have stopped watching CNN as a result of Wolfe Blitzer and Donna Brazile, esp. her race baiting ways and their calling for her to leave the race before all the votes were counted. I deplore MSNBC and their sexist and mysogenist commentators.

When will this country come to its senses and see what is really happening... probably when enough of us PUMA's point it out to them. They will never silence the voices of the people... we are the backbone of America.

As one eloquent black woman wrote on one of the other blogs (she is a disinfranchised voter from Michigan): My roots are not in Africa, my ancestors were, my neighbors roots are not in Europe, their ancestors where, my roots are in America. I am a person of color, but I am a American I am not an African and make no mistake my loyalties lie with America Rev. Wright. I do not wish to separate myself nor my family from America I do not wish to see a black America and white America and yellow America and brown America.

I AM AN AMERICAN!!!! I am a PUMA!!!! and I am proud to scream both those phrases

Posted by: BMW60

I am a proud member of PUMApac.org and the JustSayNoDeal coalition of groups who have ONE thing in common - NOBAMA!!!

The Democratic Party "selected" Obama to be the nominee even though Hillary Clinton was the CHOICE OF THE PEOPLE!!! They stood by while Hillary was the victim of BLATANT SEXISM AND MISOGYNY in the media and no one ever came to her support to defend her!! From when she lost Iowa, the calls for her to "get out of the race" began and continued right to the end when she was winning all the big primaries - some by 35-40pt. margins!! Each time she won another victory, another superdelegate would prance out and support Obama!!

Obama cheated in the caucuses in many ways - one of which was having his thug supporters lock out and intimidate Clinton supporters. Hillary was beating McCain in the swing states while Obama was behind and yet the CORRUPT, NEW MAFIA (formerly Democratic) PARTY decided to go with their SELECTED candidate even though he has NO EXPERIENCE OR QUALIFICATIONS having started running for president the same week he got into the senate.

Obama has a long standing of questionable relationships with terrorist bombers, racist preachers, criminals and people who harbor anti-American sentiments; his wife among them!! He would be terribly dangerous to this country. I don't like him and most of all, I DO NOT TRUST HIM!!!

Hillary Clinton is a once in a lifetime candidate and would be the very best president this country has ever had!! The fact the DNC stabbed her in the back and shoved her aside in favor of this upstart, lying, flip-flopping FRAUD is appauling!!

THERE IS NO WAY I WOULD EVER VOTE FOR OBAMA-NOT IF SOMEONE HAD A GUN TO MY HEAD AND A KNIFE TO MY HEART!! I WILL BE VOTING FOR MC CAIN IF THE DEMS DO NOT NOMINATE HILLARY IN DENVER!!
Posted by: AlwaysforHillary


My husband and I were registered Republicans who voted Democrat for Hillary in the primaries believing she is the best candidate for President. We don't always vote our party we vote who we feel has demonstrated knowledge, best suited and shows integrity. Hillary is that person this election year and Obama stole it from her playing his "eliminate your competition" strategy. We will vote McCain if Hillary is not nominated in August.


Thanks Tom for covering the story.
Craig Crawford has an article on his blog that is true about the super-delegates. Crawford said,"With the dust settled on the primary season, one thing is clear: Obama is the presumed nominee thanks only to superdelegates. He never did win enough pledged delegates to reach the winning number, falling about 350 votes short." This is why they do not want a nomination and roll call vote. He was SELECTED, not ELECTED.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/...-rule-after.htm

But Brazile says the superdelegate vote "should reflect the will of the people."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=18882087

Obama warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted. However, super-delegates in Massachusetts -- Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick were pledged to him, in spite of the voters of the state overwhelmingly voting for Hillary Clinton. Senator Obama you can't have it both way, or can you?http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html

Their own words contradict themselves? Media is not asking the tough questions.
Posted by: tlintx |


Thanks Tom for covering the story.
Craig Crawford has an article on his blog that is true about the super-delegates. Crawford said,"With the dust settled on the primary season, one thing is clear: Obama is the presumed nominee thanks only to superdelegates. He never did win enough pledged delegates to reach the winning number, falling about 350 votes short." This is why they do not want a nomination and roll call vote. He was SELECTED, not ELECTED.
http://blogs.cqpolitics.com/trailmix/2008/...-rule-after.htm
But Brazile says the superdelegate vote "should reflect the will of the people."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.p...toryId=18882087
Obama warned Super-delegates to vote the way their states have voted. However, super-delegates in Massachusetts -- Sens. Kerry and Kennedy, Gov Patrick were pledged to him, in spite of the voters of the state overwhelmingly voting for Hillary Clinton. Senator Obama you can't have it both way, or can you?http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/the-super-deleg.html
Their own words contradict themselves? Media is not asking the tough questions.
Posted by: Denise


Felicia Said:
"How about the fact that Obama may have run a better campaign then Hillary? I know I get upset when my candidate doesn't win- but as a party we need to move on. There was no trickery or dishonesty, just a brilliant campaign, so the sour grapes will do nothing but severly harm our country.

Do all of you Dems who are seriously considering voting for McCain realize what you are saying? Do you really think a 3rd Bush term is what we need? That will not bring Hillary back? Please reconsider - Obama is a good man. Read his books, look at his policies (they almost mirror Clinton's) and then do some research on McCain and where he stands. Think of the Supreme Court, think of a 100 year war...PLEASE!!! My children cannot afford to have McCain as president.
Thank you!"

1. Gumby didn't run a better campaign - maybe dirtier and nastier than one I ever seen before - calling AMERICANS racist. Did everybody just forget about that?
2. Not Sour Grapes - Are You Kidding ME? This is about the Death of Democracy on May 31st - not Hillary being railroaded out of this election. Let's see? Disenfranchise almost 2.3 million AMERICANS and then tell them they can have 1/2 their vote back if they are nice. WTF? Also, let's break our own rules by giving Gumby all the uncommitted delegates and 4 of Hillarys. What Say Michigan voters on that one? Has anyone asked them?
4. I am not voting for a Bush 3rd term - that's why I'm not voting for Gumby - he's more republican than McCain.
5. His policies "mirror" Hillary's? No Sh** Sherlock - that's because they are hers. Except in this case imitation isn't the greatest form of flattery.
6. Our Country cannot afford a racist, un-American, empty chair! 146 days in the Senate before he ran for President? Are You Kidding ME? Wake UP!! At this point, we know what McCain will do. Do you really know what Gumby is going to do?

PUMA!!
JUST SAY NO DEAL!

Posted by: DiamondTiger

[donewith democrats]

Some people have the inability to live with reality. Hillary said her campaign is over. Why would people want to put her on the ballot when she acknowledges she lost? With that flawed logic we might as well give Chris Dodd the nomination. They complain that the democratic process is flawed. That may be, but the rules were set up for everyone to abide by and Obama won under those rules. They say Hillary got 18 million votes so she deserves the nomination. They fail to mention that Obama also got 18 million votes. It is not possible to prove who actually got more because the caucases are just estimates. But in the end, the democratic party chose a system that works on delegates. Obama had more delegates at the end of the process than her. The math is clear. Why give the nomination to someone who had less delegates? That is why the superdelegates flocked to him. He had more democratically elected delegates. Nobody can deny that. If they want to support John McCain as a protest then that is their free will choice. However, I don't want to hear them crying if the supreme court gets more conservative appointees and Roe V Wade gets overturned or if the Iraq war drags on for another decade. It would be their fault. They can claim the media was sexist, but even if that was true, how is that Obama's fault? Why blame one person for the actions of another? That is equivalent to blaming a murderer's neighbor for a homicide. They say Obama should have stopped the media from being so sexist. This is America, a candidate cannot stop the press from printing or airing their content. Free speech. But in the end, it does not matter. Obama is going to win the general. Get used to it.

P.S. - Hillary's staff ran a horrible political campaign. She only started making significant progress when it was too late. Maybe that isn't her fault, but her staff did mess up big time. Can't blame Obama for that either.

Posted by: Jim

his Puma movement has got nothing to do with being sore losers. Pumas come from all walks of life, races, ethnicities, religions, classes, and genders. So no, we're not just a group of "pissed off feminists" and we're definitely NOT a bunch of Limbaugh Dittoheads. We're democrats and independents, but mainly democrats who believe strongly in the core principals of the Democratic Party. And yet we feel that our own party has left us by the curb, by not standing on those very principles that we all believed in. The Puma movement is much bigger than either Obama or Clinton - it's about saving our very democracy and the democratic process. I urge disbelievers to go and read George Washington's Farewell Speech to The People of the United States. It is an immensely thought provoking and even prophetic speech, particularly the parts where he discusses the inherent potential dangers to our overall democratic process of political parties run amuck. This is what Pumas are all about, demanding that our Party continue to be all inclusive, and conduct it's business in a fully democratic way and with integrity. Selecting our Presidential candidates for us is NOT ethical, nor is it democratic. Read the signs, and actually think about how BO was selected, and it becomes clear that this Party wants to push forward for us an empty suit, inexperienced, flip-flopping candidate for the most important office in the world and why? We do not need a "symbolic" candidate who will just happen to be giving his 'symbolic' acceptance speech on the 45th anniversary of MLK's "I Have a Dream" speech. Coincidence? Heck no, it's been planned since before 2004. And that is exactly what BO will be - a symbolic candidate - and if and once he becomes President, he'll be a puppet for the Democratic elites to pull his strings. The signs are already there, take into consideration all the flip-flopping he's been doing as he tries lamely to "fall to the center" on so many issues. His inexperience and naiveté as a Presidential candidate is stunning, and frankly, should be terrifying to any truly thinking voter in this great nation of ours. We NEED a real leader and the BEST candidate we can get right now to beat the Republicans. Someone willing to roll up his or her sleeves and get the job done, with the experience and the know how and the chutzpa not to have his/her strings pulled, but is willing to stand up and actually lead. BO is NOT that leader, and he will never get this democrats vote.

By the way, at this point going into the convention in August, neither Obama nor Clinton have the needed number of elected delegates to win outright the nomination. He is still the 'presumed' nominee. That he actually is the nominee is a false notion that the DNC and the media has been floating hoping all of us are not smart enough to figure it out. The nomination has always been decided at the NOMINATING convention. That is why it is called a NOMINATING convention and not a coronation. The super delegates that some people like to say put BO 'over the top' can change their minds at any time. They are not locked into their votes at convention. There is no reason in the world NOT to put Senator Clinton's name into nomination, she may not win it, but there are no 'rules' that say her name should not be put into nomination for a roll call vote. Candidates with less delegates than her going into the convention over the years have all been permitted to have their names put into nomination. Why is the DNC and BO supporters tryign to get her name to NOT go into nomination. Because she COULD win perhaps?
Posted by: PA4HILL


Hillary did not say she Lost, she just suspended her campaign...because...the DNC pushed the Super Delegates to cover Obama's Butt. Neither one of them had enough delegates to actually win, and the Supers' votes don't count until the convention. As far as the popular vote, Obama's total came from the guestimated caucus counts, and the Michigan uncommited votes that he was 'gifted' with...Hillary Did Win the popular vote! The Obama people never did understand that having MORE delegates was not a win...you actually had to close the deal with the 'magic number 'that the DNC chose, with the no votes, or half votes and probably whole votes at the convention!
Posted by: jeleanor


Mr. Abrahams - you're good. And thanks so very much for posting about P.U.M.A. We are 2.5 million, mean business and will work hard to demand that the DNC/DEM Party conduct a nominating convention according to precedent and tradition. That means: No coronation. Hillary Clinton's name placed into nomination, the requisite speeches per same, her name placed on the first ballot and the usual roll call of the states. Now - anybody who has a problem with doing that for the popular vote winner is one frightened little puppy that The Pretender/Selectee to the nomination might not make it after all. Tough. Considering the tactics his camp used through to slime both Hillary and Bill, it's the least we can do0 Oh yes, and let's not forget what the Democratic Party allegedly stands for.
Posted by: Sheltiemom


I see I'm very late in my comments, butI hope, that unlike how the DNC would have it, my voice is heard!

Many of us democrats have been waiting for HRC to run for president since she was First Lady, I'll admit it. However, when this campaign season came along we all listened attentively to all candidates. WE ELECTED HRC because HER message, her RECORD, stood for what we believe to be the best methodology of recovery from this deplorable Bush administration!
So many say, but Barack mirrors HRC...yes, he TRIED to steal her thunder and ideas, the only problem is, those who have a brain hear him speak and shudder.
Literally, I shuddered when I first heard him speak! That was when I knew NOTHING about him or his racial supremist affiliations.
I am a young (30) urban New Yorker. I realized that if I, who have lived in a 65% minoity populated city of 34,000 people on Long Island, could never vote for Obama, that there was NO WAY AMERICA was going to elect him! I've spent the past 6 months asking people what they think of this guy and I'd estimate 70-75% of them (and please remember, these are all minoritiesl, many of whom are black, btw...) do NOT trust him, will not vote for him and chose to support and STILL CHOOSE TO SUPPORT Senator Hillary Clinton!
There are MILLIONS of us HRC people...basically, democrats who want a democratic White House and know that the only way that will be possible is by voting for Hillary Clinton as most of America (as the New Yorker Magazine was trying to demonstrate) holds distinctly questionable fears of the Obamas and therefor will not cast their vote for him.
I happen to think that the GOP (that's the republican party) paid off the top members of the DNC and thus explain the rise of this inexperienced, shallow, ego-maniac to power. It also explains why the media heralded him as the great American (but Black) hope.
I suggest YOU who are reading this grow up! Gain some maturity and a set of balls! Realize that Obama MAY be black, but he's nothing more than politics as usual and has so many questionable relationships that America in general will NEVER elect him president.
That is why HRC, despite a 15 year smear campaign by the media, despite lack of support by her own party and despite considerably less campaign funds won MORE votes than Barack Obama.
The DNC chose to ignore the polls which said that HRC would beat out Mccain in an election match, whereas BO woudl not.
Why would they do that?
Ask yourself: Who do you know? With BO changing positions every other day, and, hey, it took him 3 months to even STATE any positions...who could blame you? No one with any sense. As matter of fact, at this point, if you continue to support Barack Obama I WILL blame you...this is MY country, I live here. HRC has the ablity to start to get us back on track! Barack Obama has the ablilty to lie and manipulate. People say they are worried about back-lash and riots! I say, WORRY about ME! It's the WHITE people, after all, who, when they go crazy, eat people, right? I aint never heard of any black people eating other folks.
I'm quite serious is my protestation of BO as the democratic nominee. HRC won more votes than him, and that was for a reason. I am sure many people who voted for her weren't in lover with her (though I find her the most, indeed ONLY, inspiring politicat person in my life) they still voted for her. Why? Because they were smart enough to know that AMERCICA will NOT vote for Barack Obama! NO ONE WANTS to vote for MCCAIN! I IMPLORE THE DNC AND SUPERDELGATE:::PLEASE: DO NOT MAKE US!!!
Posted by: Kerri


As others here have stated: Time is running short. The DNC meets in Denver in a few short weeks. Please, join PUMA now and take part in our daily actions.
So far there have been 8 super delegates that have switched to Clinton (gee,you didn't hear THAT on your media stations, did you?) as well as over 10 million dollars raised inside of one weekend by PUMA to pay down HRC's debt.
We do far more than these things. Basically, we work tirelessly in every way possible to get across to the leaders and whoever has a voice that we believe in democracy as set forth by our forefathers. A governing body that is of the people, elected ny the people and for the people.
Blog.pumapac.org JustSayNoDeal.com.
Sign up today, read the action alerts, if you're at Pumapac, ask for me, my name is Kerri. If you feel lost and want direction that is. Chances are you'll sign up and figure it all out on your own, but if not, I'm quite willing to help you out in any way possible.
Thank you for your consideration. Thank you for seriously thinking about the best future for our country.
A PumaPac member who is not a republican and does not EVER wish to vote for one, yet...I will not vote for an inexperience usurper who has nothing to reccomend him but MORE than "questionable" ties and betratal to his own supporters.
Posted by: Kerri


PUMA here...

Thank you for writing this article Tom Abrahams, it is very important to shine a light on the truth. The dem party is not at all unified. Whenever you hear a big top dem leader claim that the party is united: It is a LIE. They know better, so it is a lie. I also don't fall for the polls(esp. Zogby), mainstream media and internet media pushing the unity lie. We are completely FRACTURED and Obama is losing his progressive supporters as well due to his "change" on the issues such as FISA and campaign finance.

The problem is that he has been forced on democrats...for all those fools who were hypnotized during Obama-mania, there were many more who were actually horrified by their tranced state in those mega-church style rallies. The media and the big top dems just kept pushing and pushing Oblahma, and it was FORCED. Hillary was called on to quit since Iowa, even though she kept WINNING, and not by bogus meaningless archaic caucus--which matters zilcho in the GE, and she won the big blue dem states and the most purple swing states! AND she won the most votes, and she had the working class, the seniors, the women, the hispanics, the gays, the catholics, the jews, rural Americans, and the Reagan democrats...and on and on!!

Also, Hillary's supporters were insulted day in and day out in the media(and by Barack and Michelle). NO THANKS. Besides, Obama's followers are so mean and nasty: death threats, bullying, threats to end careers, and non stop low down insults on the internet...NO WAY would I help THEM--they are mean fanatics, NO DEAL.

The dem party can't CHEAT with voting fraud, caucus mosh pits--shutting out Hillary voters, stealing Hillary votes to go to Obama, and staying silent during all the accusations of racism, not to mention the sexism and misogyny poured on Hillary like acid, which burned us all.

NO WAY will I EVER vote for Obama. If I never see those dirty corrupt faces of Pelosi, Brazille, Kerry, and Coward Mean again, it will be too soon. I WANT THEM the HELL AWAY from running the dem party--they are not true democrats. They are lying, theiving, radical far left wing LUNATICS with an agenda. NO DEAL. We want Hillary on the ballot for official nomination, and we want it taken to the floor. It's supposed to be a convention, not a corononation in which O gives a German WW11 style speech with 80,000 "Obama Youth"--catch my drift. Gawd, and keep him the hell away from Berlin with the mass crowd or half of America will get terrified. NO DEAL.

Look it up:
Just Say No Deal
Puma Pac
The Denver Group
No Quarter
Rezko Watch (The Real Barack Obama)
Obama WTF
PUMA!!!

Posted by: kat in your hat



Been a democrat for over 30 years and this is the first time I have even considered voting republican. Didn't think I'd see the day. May be crazy, but still hoping the DNC sees the error of their ways and urge the superdelegates to nominate Clinton at the convention.

We have laws in this great country, and they were broken by the DNC in their primary that was nothing short of criminal. The decision to half the votes of FL and MI and to give some of Clinton's delegates to Obama violated our most fundamental right to vote (Supreme Ct. rulings States v Classic, Ex parte Yarborough, Gray v Sanders). Once a ballot has been cast it must be counted as it was cast and cannot be interpreted otherwise.

With FISA crippling the 1st and 4th amendments of the constitution, and the DNC ignoring the votes of the people in order to decide the primary for the candidate they selected (instead of the one the people elected)... and all that has happened in the last 8 years under the Bush administration... I'm seriously concerned about the path we are on.

Make no mistake I will be voting for McCain if Clinton is not on the ballot in November. If you read the writing on the wall, you will see that Obama is the 4-more-Bush.

CLINTON WAS ELECTED and we won't take the selected.
NOBAMA

Posted by: B from Bloomington
Investigate Barack Obama


The trouble with winning the democratic nomination by winning the small caucus states is that you don't really have the support of democrats. Obama ran the dirtiest campaign I have ever seen (democrats don't use repug talking points) and many of the people that he brought in to vote for him don't really support the party. So now the party is flailing because in its greed it is over run with the Obamination and has alienated the real core of the party. When he fails they won't have much left.
I never believed that democrats would choose a candidate with so little experience. I never believed they were capable of choosing George Bush-lite ie someone with no real accomplishments and full of hubris. No, as a life long democrat and knowing my father is probably rolling over in grave I cannot subject the country to another unqualified buffoon. Nobama ever My new bumperstickers say "tell Obama he can keep the change"
Posted by: bornagaindem


SAD SAD losers. Get over it and move on, please. PUMA is beyond pathetic. A bunch of old miserable women (and men)acting like children. "If I can't win, then I'm not playing" Boo Hoo Hoo. What cry babies. Simple and pathetic role models for children.

Posted by: Denise